I am so fed up with God, that I would like to turn

[Newbie]

So then God is not all powerful. He can only do as much as I allowed Him to do.

My will has been to receive prayer answers. I still didnt get anything. Even in times when I allowed him to be god in my life.

But why would I do anything for God who doesnt love me and who doesnt care me? And how can you say I I dont care about truth? I have seen the truth. I have wanted to see that god is trustworthy but he just havent managed to show that. Do you expect me to believe something that I have never seen or experienced? Isnt it more christian brainwash?

Correct! See you yourself said no one. God is not able to do that! His powers are so limited. Btw why should I have faith in someone who has always failed me? Can you give me a guarantee that if I put my faith in god that he would care about me this time? And since you said no one t also means that I cant do anything about it. Sometimes I even want to but I cant. I have tried, but God havent helped me when I have tried. so what can I do? God also has a free will an if it's not his will to help me when I cry out to him than what can I do about it?

It has happened. When I was christian I even did it daily. After I understood that God is useless garbage it became less and less. Sometimes I wish (pray) that I may be able to come out of it and then ask for forgiveness in hope that maybe he  hears me this time but when I see that he did not care then I go back to my normal life (talk as much bad of him as I can, because he cant do anything about it anyway). Las time I think was yesterday because I got little too much brainwash.

But what if I do have will to be normal christian but no ability/power to do that and god doesnt give me that either despite of my prayers? Basically in your long letter you just accuse me for things that God did wrong. I have none my part over and over again. That is to pray and ask for forgiveness. God has not done his part (which is to answer prayers). I dont understand why do you treat me as if I had never wanted to be christian?

That's the classical christian brainwashing scheme. You cant show that God is loving, then you try to explain it away with free will, and now you are threaten me with curses for not believing in liar who lies that he loves me? And why would curse my family? What have they done wrong? Bible even teaches that each one get punishment for their own sin. You dont even have correct understanding of Bible. See there are many worldly people who are not cursed. Why would I get cursed? See Bill Gates or Putin or just every day people who go work on week days and clubbing on week ends. Where is their curse.

I even put his curses to test today! Bible says "So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.". I went to church to day and before eating the bread and drinking the cup I cursed and blasphemed god and told him how useless he is and renounced him and his son and casted away his rotten holy spirit. I did it because I remembered from the bible that some people have received sickness or death for that. So I prayed god that if he has to do something about it he would choose death because if he chooses sickness it wouldnt really help me because I wouldnt turn back to him because of that and then I would still have to commit suicide later. But when God kills me for than then it's finished and I dont have to go to grave yard with ouija board to summon domens to kill me.
But see I am still alive and posting this so looks like bible was wrong again. And I found an other promise of God that turned out to be miserable lie.

I am willing but and screaming for help but God is not able. Only right tong I can do about it is to cast spells that make me forget about God. This way I get out of it because I wouldnt thing about god anymore and if I dont think about him I would no get hurt by thinking that either. If I never became christian at first point my life wouldnt be miserable right now. ll my problems I have right now are because of christ. My life would be better if I never got to know him.

Looks like God finally managed to create stone that is too heavy for him to lift. It's God's fault. If he had answered me when I still had hope in him, surely my heart would be different than it is now.  If he never answers  me and never cares and only gives me false promises what shall my heart become then? Shall I be like Please give me more of ur lies that I may live even more in illusion and hope that never will become true? See, I have put way more effor in my relationship with God than those who were born in christian families and who were brainwashed from early childhood. But as you can see God doesnt give s**t about it. He, even if he knows how I feel, simply doesnt care (enough) to do anything about my prayers.

In general you are about as right about me as those who mocked Job when he lost everything. I am sure that if my situation happened to you wouldnt even post here. You would just visit local spell caster right away and if no help in 2 weeks you would jump.

I believe that there is better way than that, but god does not want me to have it so all I can do in my case is try to forget it as soon as I can and then try to live normal life by thinking as little about God as possible. Like work hard, do hobbies, find girlfriend, what ever helps to consume my time so that I wouldnt think of God. Right now I am busy with master thesis. But nice and worldly girlfriend would probably help a lot because then I would finally have something better to think about than how I was once victim of fraud called christianity. And usually happy thoughts help to forget bad memories so I think like year after finding girlfriend or so I wouldnt even think about God. Not even christmas time. And then I would no loger feel miserable because the reason I feel miserable is that I think too much about God,and it makes me feel bad every time I do.

1. You say, "God is not all powerful. He can only do as much as I allowed Him to do."

You haven't understood what free will means, my friend. Free will means that God leaves the choice to you, and you alone. Can God override your choice and force you to do what He wants? Yes, He could. But He has chosen not to. It is in His power to command us, but He has chosen not to. He wants us to choose to do His will. Not because He said so, but because we have chosen, of our own free will, to do His will. God is all-powerful, but He will not force us to do His will.

2. You say, "My will has been to receive prayer answers. I still didnt get anything. Even in times when I allowed him to be god in my life."

I am not God, and cannot read the mind of God. I cannot tell you why He has chosen not to answer yes to your prayers. I do know this, He will answer your prayers as He sees fit. I said before, God has not promised to say "Yes" to our prayers. A "no" is an answer as well as a "yes".

3. You say, "But why would I do anything for God who doesnt love me and who doesnt care me? And how can you say I I dont care about truth? I have seen the truth. I have wanted to see that god is trustworthy but he just havent managed to show that. Do you expect me to believe something that I have never seen or experienced? Isnt it more christian brainwash?"

You clearly haven't grasped the concept of faith. Faith is believing without seeing. If we could see God, why would we need faith? Faith is trusting in God, no matter what. Faith is not fact. Faith is not logical. This is where the epicurean paradox is flawed. It attempts to logically explain faith. Faith is not defined by logic. Is it logical to believe in something or someone without being able to see, touch, or hear them? No. But that is the very definition of faith.

4. You say, "Correct! See you yourself said no one. God is not able to do that! His powers are so limited. Btw why should I have faith in someone who has always failed me? Can you give me a guarantee that if I put my faith in god that he would care about me this time? And since you said no one t also means that I cant do anything about it. Sometimes I even want to but I cant. I have tried, but God havent helped me when I have tried. so what can I do? God also has a free will an if it's not his will to help me when I cry out to him than what can I do about it?"

Can God give you faith? Yes! But if you refuse to take the first step, of trusting in God, no matter what, God will not give you faith. Once again, it is not that He is unable to give you faith, but He wants you to take the first step. 

5. You say, "It has happened. When I was christian I even did it daily. After I understood that God is useless garbage it became less and less. Sometimes I wish (pray) that I may be able to come out of it and then ask for forgiveness in hope that maybe he  hears me this time but when I see that he did not care then I go back to my normal life (talk as much bad of him as I can, because he cant do anything about it anyway). Las time I think was yesterday because I got little too much brainwash."

If you ask God for forgiveness, He will forgive you. Of that I have no doubt. The problem isn't that He cannot forgive you, the problem is that you don't seem to want His forgiveness. You ask for forgiveness one day, and the next you curse and blaspheme His name. God will forgive you, but in order for Him to forgive you, you must first repent from your sins and then ask Him for forgiveness. It is not enough to say "I repent." You need to truly repent, in your heart. If however you do not repent, how then can you expect God to forgive you?

6. You say, "But what if I do have will to be normal christian but no ability/power to do that and god doesnt give me that either despite of my prayers? Basically in your long letter you just accuse me for things that God did wrong. I have done my part over and over again. That is to pray and ask for forgieness. God has not done his part (which is to answer prayers). I dont understand why do you treat me as if I had never wanted to be christian?"

As I said before, God has answered your prayers. The answer may not be what you wanted, but that is because God sees long-term. He has your best interests at heart because He loves you. You have accused God of failing to do His part. His part, my friend, is to answer your prayer, nowhere does it say He must say "yes".

7. You say, "I am willing but and screaming for help but God is not able."

My friend, you claim to be willing and to have prayed to God, but you are speaking about casting spells. You cannot serve two masters. You cannot serve both God and Satan. It doesn't work that way. You either choose God, and trust Him 100%, or you don't. You cannot trust God 50% or 70% or even 99%. You need to trust God 100%.

I am praying for you, my friend. GBY!​

 

[Anonymous]

Can God give you faith? Yes! But if you refuse to take the first step, of trusting in God, no matter what, God will not give you faith. Once again, it is not that He is unable to give you faith, but He wants you to take the first step. 

Ok, then where is my faith? I took my first step by praying him long before I fell into this pit of depression. I tried to trust him as hard as I could but at one point my strength ended.

you must first repent from your sins

I dont have strength for that anymore. I have done thins ovar and over and I have fell back into it over and over again. Now I have given up on this.

 

[verona]

O Lord we pour out our soul and hearts  to You  we give You every struggle  problems ,issues  to You knowing  that  when  You step in  into my situation  You bring in the possibility in the  impossible  in the mighty name of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior Amen..    

 

[Newbie]

Ok, then where is my faith? I took my first step by praying him long before I fell into this pit of depression. I tried to trust him as hard as I could but at one point my strength ended.

The first step is praying and trusting in God. As I said before, trusting in God is not always easy. You say, "I tried to trust him as hard as I could but at one point my strength ended." You want God to help you? You need to trust in Him 100%. When all seems lost, and it looks like everything we do, things just get worse, we need to say, "Though He slay me, yet will I trust in Him." We need to trust Him, no matter what happens, because we know, we have faith, that no matter what happens, God is in control. God has not promised us an easy life. The life of a Christian is anything but easy. Every Christian I know has suffered or faced difficulties, some more then others, but all have had their share of problems. God has not promised us no problems. He has only promised us that He will help us to face our problems. You say, "Where is my faith?" The Bible says, faith comes by hearing and reading the word of God. As you read God's word, and try to understand it, your faith will grow. If you however doubt the word of God, how can your faith grow? 

I dont have strength for that anymore. I have done thins ovar and over and I have fell back into it over and over again. Now I have given up on this.

True repentance does not mean that you will never sin again. We all have sinned, and come short of God's glory. Repentance means that you are truly sorry for your sins and mistakes, and that you will do your utmost not to repeat them. God does not expect us to be perfect. Jesus said, "Whoever has not sinned cast the first stone." We all have sinned, but God is faithful and just, and will forgive us our sins. However, God requires true repentance before He will forgive our sins. 

You say you have given up. Never Give Up! There is always hope. Where there is life, there is hope. You may have given up, but God has not given up on you, and He will never give up on you. He will always be there for you, because He loves you.

Never doubt this, God will never give up on you. He will never stop loving you.​

He wants to forgive you, all you need do is ask. ​

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 I am praying for you, my friend.​

 

[kaye hirst]

I prayed for this. In Jesus Name. Amen.

 

[Anonymous]

, there have been times when I too doubted that God loved me. But God has never failed

But I am not you. Just because He has never failed with you doesnt mean that he has never failed with me.

and has shown me time and time again just how much He loves us.

Ok, this is your experience, I havent had such experience. You cant expect me to believe something just because it is your experience. Maybe you were misinterpreting something. Maybe a false positive. What you call divine intervention could just have happened by chance. I cant validate your experiences in any way.

. To keep us closer to Him, to teach us compassion for others, to teach us humility, and to teach us many valuable lessons that otherwise we would learn.

How does this help? Im I not going further from him because of that? In that case God is sadist. He is unable to get us love him and then he uses torture to make us. Its as if I captured someone and asked her if she loves me and punched her in her face if she said no and then asked again if she loves me. Now I dont see how is what I described and different from what God is doing? He is basically doing the same thing.

He gave you life, my friend.

What a great gift. Now I have to think ho to end that life. If he didnt give me that gift I wouldnt have these problems that I have now.

He gave you eternal life!

Good to know that my sufferings are not limited to this world.

Is that not proof enough of His love for you?

No. It's just the laws of nature. If 2 people have sex then new person will born. If it proves anything then maybe only His love for my parents who wanted to get child but not His love for me. But given that even non-christians get babies it doesnt even prove that.

God has promised us that He will never give us more then we can endure.

If this is true then how do you explain that I did not manage to endure?

Though He slay me, yet will I trust in Him." That is faith in God.

Well, I cant just trust anyone because of what they say about themselves. I havent seen him or his power.

He cannot, and will not fail.

Didn't He just fail to save me from hell fire by being an  a*****e with me till I gave up? If he knows everything he should know how much I can endure and he has clearly given me more. And now he has clearly failed. Sometimes I even feel that if he would answer all my prayers with yes tomorrow that I have ever prayed even then I wouldnt return to Him anymore because I am so fed up with Him.

If He chooses to answer no, does that mean He has not answered?

But if every single prayer that I have prayed in my life is answered with no then sorry God, but I am also ging to answer Your call to repentance with no!

Because God has given us free will.

But what if it's not my will to be blinded by satan? In this case when God allowed it, He allowed it against my free will! And if I am blinded, how then can He punish me for my mistakes if I didnt see where I was going at first point?

 

[Newbie]

1. You say, "But I am not you. Just because He has never failed with you doesnt mean that he has never failed with me."

God cannot fail. Did you trust in God 100%? Did you say, "Not my will Lord, but Yours be done?" I have said it already, a "NO" is an answer as well as a "YES". In the Lord's prayer, it says, "Thy will be done." It doesn't say, "Dear Lord, let my will be done." It says, "Thy (God's) Will be done." Just because your prayer wasn't answered with a "YES" doesn't automatically mean that God has failed you. Perhaps He has said no to you because He ha something better in store for you. He has your best interests at heart, because He loves you. Just because He hasn't done what you have asked of Him, that doesn't mean He has failed.

2. You say, "I havent had such experience. You cant expect me to believe something just because it is your experience. Maybe you were misinterpreting something. Maybe a false positive. What you call divine intervention could just have happened by chance. I cant validate your experiences in any way."

Yes, what I call divine intervention could just be luck, chance, coincidence, etc. But I believe in God, I know that God exists. Of that I have never had any doubts. That is where faith comes into play. Let us say I am praying for a car. A friend calls me the next day and tells me he has a car he could give me. Is that divine intervention or just dumb luck? I cannot prove that it is God at work. But I believe, and I know, that God has answered my prayer. That is faith and trust in God. Could I be wrong? Perhaps. But I know that I am right. I have 100% faith and trust in God. I know that He hears me when I pray and I know that He answers prayer. Has He always answered my prayers the way I would have chosen? No. Many times God's answer was no. Did I understand at the time why the answer was no? No. Do I know now, with hindsight, why God answered me no? In some cases, yes. In others, I have an idea. But there are some where even now I have no idea as to why God chose to answer no. I trust in God however, and I know that even though I may never understand in this life why God has said no to my requests, God has, and always will have, my best interests at heart. 

3. You say, "In that case God is sadist. He is unable to get us love him and then he uses torture to make us. Its as if I captured someone and asked her if she loves me and punched her in her face if she said no and then asked again if she loves me. Now I dont see how is what I described and different from what God is doing? He is basically doing the same thing."

Firstly, that's not what I said. Where did I say that God tortures us to make us love Him? God allows suffering to teach us compassion. If we have never suffered, how can we have compassion for those that who have suffered? There are times when suffering is good for us. Yes, you read correctly, there will be times when suffering is good for us. Of course it will not be fun or easy. The Bible says, "Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby." (Hebrews 12:11) We learn and grow through our suffering. Our faith is strengthend. God does not revel or enjoy our suffering. God allows it because He knows it is good for us. There will also be times when God is punishing us for what we have done. Yes, God forgives us our sins, but our actions also have consequences. The Bible says, "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." (Galatians 6:7) God does not enjoy punishing us, God is not a sadist. But God is a righteous God. 

4. You say, "But given that even non-christians get babies it doesnt even prove that."

Since when did God care for only Christians?

5. You say, "how do you explain that I did not manage to endure?"

God will never give us more then we can endure. There will be times when all seems lost, when it seems God has forsaken and abandoned us. It is during these times that we must have faith and trust in God. God will never forsake us, He will never abandon us. It is not enough to have faith only during the easy times. We must have faith and trust in God, no matter what happens. We must have faith that He is in control, and that He knows what He is doing. Once again, it is your choice, and your choice alone. Nobody can make this choice for you. You either believe and trust in God 100%, no matter what happens, or you don't.

6. You say, "Well, I cant just trust anyone because of what they say about themselves. I havent seen him or his power."

My friend, once again you fail to understand the concept of faith. Faith is believing in what you cannot see. Faith is trusting, without preconditions, that God exists. Faith defies logic. Once more, faith is not the same as fact. I cannot prove to you the existence of God, I cannot show you His photo or give you His address, but I know without a shadow of a doubt that He exists.

7. You say, " Sometimes I even feel that if he would answer all my prayers with yes tomorrow that I have ever prayed even then I wouldnt return to Him anymore because I am so fed up with Him. But if every single prayer that I have prayed in my life is answered with no then sorry God, but I am also ging to answer Your call to repentance with no!"

I am not God, I cannot tell you why He has answered your prayers with a "no".

That God, and God alone, can tell you. I am sorry that you are angry with God. One thing I do know, if you do not repent you cannot expect God's forgiveness. God loves you, and He wants to forgive you, but God is a righteous God, and He cannot forgive you if you refuse to repent. I will say it again, it is your choice alone. You either repent and seek God's forgiveness, and He will grant it, or you do not. There is no middle ground here. 

8. You say, "But what if it's not my will to be blinded by satan? In this case when God allowed it, He allowed it against my free will! And if I am blinded, how then can He punish me for my mistakes if I didnt see where I was going at first point?"

How are you "blinded by Satan?" You have free will to do good or evil. In your everyday life, you can either choose to do the right thing or the wrong thing. You know right from wrong. You know good from evil. Again, it is your choice, and yours alone. God has given you free will. and the Devil cannot force you to do evil. He can suggest it to you, and try to influence you, but the ultimate choice is your to make. God will not force His will on you, He wants you to choose to do good, but you have to make the choice. 

My friend, I am praying for you. I am praying that God proves Himself to you. GBY!​

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[Anonymous]

Since when did God care for only Christians?

But then you cant tell me that my life is gift to me. It's rather something I can take it for granted.

God will never give us more then we can endure. There will be times when all seems lost, when it seems God has forsaken and abandoned us. It is during these times that we must have faith and trust in God. God will never forsake us, He will never abandon us. It is not enough to have faith only during the easy times. We must have faith and trust in God, no matter what happens. We must have faith that He is in control, and that He knows what He is doing. Once again, it is your choice, and your choice alone. Nobody can make this choice for you. You either believe and trust in God 100%, no matter what happens, or you don't.

I still dont get it... You sad he does not give more than we can endure.But as you yourself can see from my posts I already have received more than I can endure? Like if am am now at point where I dont want to have anything to do with God, then how can you still say will not give more than I can endure? Correct me if I am wrong but my undertanding is that God wont allow me to experience trials that will cause me to permanently  renounce him. Right? If that is correct understanding then I have already failed to endure in a sense that I have renounced him and his salvation and his holy spirit and I dont see my self be willing to repent of it in any time soon. Now knowing this, did I still receive less than I can endure? I have renounced him because I dont want to be slave of someone who does not care about me. You know it's directly related to God's ignoring me. And according to understanding of enduring that I explained here I have already failed to endure...

Faith is believing in what you cannot see.

Ok, but I also cannot see Allah, Lucifer or powers behind ouija board. If God does not care maybe I should try one of these in hope that maybe at least something works?

God loves you, and He wants to forgive you, but God is a righteous God, and He cannot forgive you if you refuse to repent.

Ok, looks like payback time. I wanted prayer answers, He said either no or later (not sure which), now I feel down. Now He wants me to turn back to him, I say no to him to make him feel the same that he made me feel. Profit.

How are you "blinded by Satan?" You have free will to do good or evil.

Because you said so somewhere (too lazy to find that exact quote right now).

 

[Thokozisiwe]

I pray for you today in the mighty name of Jesus to be delivered from all satanic and negative thoughts, for God almighty to reveal himself to you. God's timing is always perfect. May the power of God almighty be upon you and answer your prayers and make you to be His witness for what He has done to you, to preach the Gospel, for His love is great. May God be with you where ever you go. He has promised, and I also promise you from today focus in God, He will never leave you nor forsake you.

God answer my prayer in Jesus name Amen.

 

[Newbie]

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1. You say, "But then you cant tell me that my life is gift to me. It's rather something I can take it for granted."

It is God that grants us life. God did not create the mountains only for the Christians. The sunrise and sunset is for everyone, not just the Christians. God loves and cares for everyone, not just the Christians. Does that mean we can take the love of God for granted? Of course not. 

2. You say, "I still dont get it... You sad he does not give more than we can endure.But as you yourself can see from my posts I already have received more than I can endure? Like if am am now at point where I dont want to have anything to do with God, then how can you still say will not give more than I can endure? Correct me if I am wrong but my undertanding is that God wont allow me to experience trials that will cause me to permanently  renounce him. Right? If that is correct understanding then I have already failed to endure in a sense that I have renounced him and his salvation and his holy spirit and I dont see my self be willing to repent of it in any time soon. Now knowing this, did I still receive less than I can endure? I have renounced him because I dont want to be slave of someone who does not care about me. You know it's directly related to God's ignoring me. And according to understanding of enduring that I explained here I have already failed to endure..."

God will not give you more then you can endure. The problem isn't that He has given you more then you can endure, we all have times of suffering and tests and trials. The problem is, I think, that you do not trust in God. Are you willing to say, "Though He slay me, yet will I trust in Him?" If you have no faith or trust in God, how can He deliver you? Faith is believing without seeing.

Let me try to explain something. Faith is implicit trust in God, no preconditions. There are times when God will prove Himself however. There are numerous testimonies from people who said, "Lord, if You deliver me, then I will believe in You." And He delivered them. You say, "my understanding is that God wont allow me to experience trials that will cause me to permanently renounce him." My friend, if you truly have faith in God, then nothing will make you renounce your faith in Him. God is faithful and just, and will not give us more then we can endure. We must have faith and trust that no matter what happens to us, we can endure it, because God has promised. It is your choice, and yours alone, to decide if you trust God or if you don't. 

The Bible says, "Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." (Revelation 2:10) So I ask you again, Do you trust in God? Do you have faith in His promises? Because only you can make that choice. I have said this before, I cannot prove the existence of God. I believe that God exists, I have faith that He exists, I know God exists. The question is, do you?

3. You say, "Ok, but I also cannot see Allah, Lucifer or powers behind ouija board. If God does not care maybe I should try one of these in hope that maybe at least something works?"

That is your choice, but I can promise you that Lucifer will not have your best interests in mind. The Devil has power. But ask yourself this, what kind of power does the Devil have? God cares for you, and He has not abandoned you. He will never abandon you. I have told you this already, there will be times in our lives when all seems lost, and that God has turned His back on us. There are times in my life when I too ask, "Where are You God?" It is in those times that I must have faith and trust in God, trusting that He knows what He is doing. I do not always understand why God allows something, but I know that He has my best interests at heart, and all I need do is trust Him. It is not always easy, but God never promised that it would be. 

4. You say, "Ok, looks like payback time. I wanted prayer answers, He said either no or later (not sure which), now I feel down. Now He wants me to turn back to him, I say no to him to make him feel the same that he made me feel. Profit."

That is your choice to make. God answered your prayers with your best interests in mind. In turning your back on God, you are only harming yourself. God wants only the very best for you.

5. You say, "Because you said so somewhere (too lazy to find that exact quote right now)." - (Referring to what I said, "How are you "blinded by Satan?" You have free will to do good or evil.")

First, I never said you were blinded by Satan. I know however the quote to which you are referring, and it is a quote by pick12. She said, "You are allowing Satan and his minions to monopolize your mind, thoughts and actions." She was referring to free will. Once more it all comes down to that. She said, "you are allowing." It is your choice to allow Satan to influence you. The Bible says, "Resist the Devil and he will flee from you." The Devil cannot make you do anything. He can try to influence you, but he CANNOT force you. God will also try to influence you, to persuade you to do good, but He WILL NOT force you. Yes, God is all-powerful and He could force you to do good, but He will not. He has left the choice, the desicion, up to you. It is ultimately your choice to make. That is what free will means.

I am praying for you my friend. GBY!​