I'm not a masochist, but sometimes I ...

[Brother James]

I can't repeatedly waste my time explaining things to you over and over again. I know you like to get the last word.

You don't know me at all my friend! I follow Jesus! I try to do what Jesus Istructs me to do! I try to share with people like you why they go through what they do! All you seem to do is call people like me names like a masochist without even understanding that you not only become what you call others but you are just as bad as the others that you call names too! I feel very sorry for you Steven Bobb! I don't enjoy having any last word whatsoever but you seem to think that your thoughts are the only thing that matters! Did Jesus ever say take thought for your life Steven? I'm sorry but Jesus did not say that ever!

 

[Steven Bobb]

You don't know me at all my friend! I follow Jesus! I try to do what Jesus Istructs me to do! I try to share with people like you why they go through what they do! All you seem to do is call people like me names like a masochist without even understanding that you not only become what you call others but you are just as bad as the others that you call names too! I feel very sorry for you Steven Bobb! I don't enjoy having any last word whatsoever but you seem to think that your thoughts are the only thing that matters! Did Jesus ever say take thought for your life Steven? I'm sorry but Jesus did not say that ever!

Yeah true but He admitted "In the world you WILL HAVE tribulation!" You don't even admit that.So by you being in denial about the fact that there are problems ,how does that jell with Jesus saying there's tribulation in the fallen world?P.S Why are you afraid to admit that problems exist?

 

[Brother James]

Yeah true but He admitted "In the world you WILL HAVE tribulation!" You don't even admit that.So by you being in denial about the fact that there are problems ,how does that jell with Jesus saying there's tribulation in the fallen world?

Like I said, YOU DON'T KNOW ME STEVEN! I NEVER ONCE EVER STATED THAT! I'm not in denial my friend! Enjoy your tribulation Steven Bobb!

 

[Intercessor]

There's a saying,"Walk a mile in my shoes".I would like to see if we could trade places. You lead a charmed life, and everything goes your way. I, on the other hand, run into problems, obstacles, bad breaks. I would like to reverse lives. you could have my "headaches", and see how "joyful" you'd be,and I would take on your wonderful life,and, since my emotions go by circumstances, I would be "joyful" like you. But to sit on the other side of the fence, and then criticize someone because you're not in their shoes...

Stephen, you need to understand redemptive suffering is joy in heaven. I have encouraged you to repent of seeing redemptive suffering incorrectly and walk in Jesus' shoes. This is hindering your walk with God, understanding of God, minimizes the effect of the gospel (Jesus suffered and we benefited, when we suffer we and others benefit eternally, Rich Man and Lazarus) and greatly weakens your witness. It is the attitude of The Israelites in The Wilderness, and that didn't go too well...

 

[Intercessor]

Yeah true but He admitted "In the world you WILL HAVE tribulation!" You don't even admit that.So by you being in denial about the fact that there are problems ,how does that jell with Jesus saying there's tribulation in the fallen world?P.S Why are you afraid to admit that problems exist?

Tribulation means TESTING, Steven -- You need to learn the lesson of The Israelites and See How They Did With Their Testing by Accusing God of masochism... 40 Extra Years and Inability to enter the Promised Land

 

[Intercessor]

Like I said, YOU DON'T KNOW ME STEVEN! I NEVER ONCE EVER STATED THAT! I'm not in denial my friend! Enjoy your tribulation Steven Bobb!

Tribulation means TESTING -- Steven thinks tests are masochism, I don't like them but don't have much say in the matter -- Brother James "counts them all joy" and is very mature on this FOUNDATIONAL DOCTRINE of CHRISTIANITY... God bless us with wisdom and understanding, in Jesus' Name

 

[Intercessor]

Strong's Greek: 2347. θλῖψις (thlipsis) -- tribulation

◄ 2347. thlipsis ►

Strong's Concordance thlipsis: tribulation​ Original Word: θλῖψις, εως, ἡ Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine Transliteration: thlipsis Phonetic Spelling: (thlip'-sis) Definition: tribulation Usage: persecution, affliction, distress, tribulation. HELPS Word-studies 2347 thlípsis – properly, pressure (what constricts or rubs together), used of a narrow place that "hems someone in"; tribulation, especially internal pressure that causes someone to feel confined (restricted, "without options"). 2347 /thlípsis ("compression, tribulation") carries the challenge of coping with the internal pressure of a tribulation, especially when feeling there is "no way of escape" ("hemmed in"). [By contrast, 4730 (stenoxōría) focuses on the external pressure exerted by circumstances.] NAS Exhaustive Concordance Word Origin from thlibó Definition tribulation NASB Translation affliction (14), afflictions (6), anguish (1), distress (2), persecution (1), tribulation (16), tribulations (4), trouble (1). ​ Thayer's Greek Lexicon STRONGS NT 2347: θλῖψις θλῖψις, or θλῖψις (so L Tr) (cf. Winers Grammar, § 6, 1 e.; Lipsius, Grammat. Untersuch., p. 35), θλίψεως, ἡ (θλίβω), properly, a pressing, pressing together, pressure (Strabo, p. 52; Galen); in Biblical and ecclesiastical writings, a Greek metaphor, oppression, affliction, tribulation, distress, straits; Vulg.tribulatio, also pressura (2 Corinthians 1:4b; John 1621),33; (Philippians 1:16 (17); and in Colossians 1:24 passio)); (the Sept. for צָרָה, also for צַר, לַחַץ, etc.): Matthew 24:9; Acts 7:11; Acts 11:19; Romans 12:12; 2 Corinthians 1:4, 8; 2 Corinthians 4:17; 2 Corinthians 6:4; 2 Corinthians 7:4; 2 Corinthians 8:2; 2 Thessalonians 1:6; Revelation 1:9; Revelation 2:9, 22; Revelation 7:14; joined with στενοχωρία (cf. Trench, § lv.), Romans 2:9; Romans 8:35 (Deuteronomy 28:53f; Isa. (); ); with ἀνάγκη, 1 Thessalonians 3:7; with διωγμός, Matthew 13:21; Mark 4:17; 2 Thessalonians 1:4; of the afflictions of those hard pressed by siege and the calamities of war, Matthew 24:21, 29; Mark 13:19, 24; of the straits of want, 2 Corinthians 8:13; Philippians 4:14 (here others give the word a wider reference); James 1:27; of the distress of a woman in childbirth; John 16:21. θλῖψιν ἔχω (equivalent to θλίβομαι), John 16:33; 1 Corinthians 7:28; Revelation 2:10; θλῖψις ἐπί τινα ἔρχεται, Acts 7:11; ἐν θλίψει, 1 Thessalonians 1:6. plural: Acts 7:10; Acts 14:22; Acts 20:23; Romans 5:3; Ephesians 3:13; 1 Thessalonians 3:3; Hebrews 10:33; τοῦ Χριστοῦ, the afflictions which Christ had to undergo (and which, therefore, his followers must not shrink from), Colossians 1:24 (see ἀνταναπληρόω); θλῖψις τῆς καρδίας (καί συνοχή), anxiety, burden of heart, 2 Corinthians 2:4; θλῖψιν ἐπιφέρειν (L T Tr WH ἐγείρειν, see ἐγείρω, 4 c.) τοῖς δεσμοῖς τίνος, to increase the misery of my imprisonment by causing me anxiety, Philippians 1:16 (17). Strong's Exhaustive Concordance affliction, persecution, tribulation From thlibo; pressure (literally or figuratively) -- afflicted(-tion), anguish, burdened, persecution, tribulation, trouble. see GREEK thlibo Forms and Transliterations θλιψει θλίψει θλιψεις θλίψεις θλίψεσι θλίψεσί θλιψεσιν θλίψεσιν θλίψεσίν θλιψεων θλίψεων θλιψεως θλιψεώς θλίψεως θλίψεώς θλιψιν θλίψιν θλῖψιν θλιψις θλίψις θλῖψις θνησιμαία θνησιμαίοις θνησιμαίον θνησιμαίου θνησιμαίων thlipsei thlípsei thlipseis thlípseis thlipseon thlipseōn thlípseon thlípseōn thlipseos thlipseōs thlípseos thlípseōs thlipsesin thlípsesin thlípsesín thlipsin thlípsin thlipsis thlípsis Links Interlinear Greek • Interlinear Hebrew • Strong's Numbers • Englishman's Greek Concordance • Englishman's Hebrew Concordance • Parallel Texts Englishman's Concordance Matthew 13:21 N-GFS GRK: γενομένης δὲ θλίψεως ἢ διωγμοῦ NAS: but is [only] temporary, and when affliction or KJV: for when tribulation or INT:having come however tribulation or persecution Matthew 24:9 N-AFS GRK: ὑμᾶς εἰς θλίψιν καὶ ἀποκτενοῦσιν NAS: they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill KJV: up to be afflicted, and shall kill INT: you to tribulation and will kill Matthew 24:21 N-NFS GRK: γὰρ τότε θλίψις μεγάλη οἵα NAS: there will be a great tribulation, such KJV: great tribulation, such as INT: indeed then tribulation great such as Matthew 24:29 N-AFS GRK: μετὰ τὴν θλίψιν τῶν ἡμερῶν NAS: after the tribulation of those KJV: after the tribulation of those INT: after the tribulation the days Mark 4:17 N-GFS GRK: εἶτα γενομένης θλίψεως ἢ διωγμοῦ NAS: then, when affliction or KJV: afterward, when affliction or INT: then having arisen tribulation or persecution Mark 13:19 N-NFS GRK: ἡμέραι ἐκεῖναι θλίψις οἵα οὐ NAS: days will be a [time of] tribulation such KJV: days shall be affliction, such as INT: days those tribulation such as never Mark 13:24 N-AFS GRK: μετὰ τὴν θλίψιν ἐκείνην ὁ NAS: after that tribulation, THE SUN KJV: that tribulation, the sun INT: after the tribulation those the John 16:21 N-GFS GRK: μνημονεύει τῆς θλίψεως διὰ τὴν NAS: remembers the anguish because KJV: no more the anguish, for INT: she remembers the tribulation on account of the John 16:33 N-AFS GRK: τῷ κόσμῳ θλίψιν ἔχετε ἀλλὰ NAS: you have tribulation, but take courage; KJV: ye shall have tribulation: but INT: the world tribulation you have but Acts 7:10 N-GFP GRK: πασῶν τῶν θλίψεων αὐτοῦ καὶ NAS: him from all his afflictions, and granted KJV: all his afflictions, and gave INT: all the tribulations of him and Acts 7:11 N-NFS GRK: Χαναὰν καὶ θλίψις μεγάλη καὶ NAS: and great affliction [with it], and our fathers KJV: and great affliction: and our INT: Canaan and tribulation great and Acts 11:19 N-GFS GRK: ἀπὸ τῆς θλίψεως τῆς γενομένης NAS: because of the persecution that occurred KJV: upon the persecution that arose INT: by the tribulation that had taken place Acts 14:22 N-GFP GRK: διὰ πολλῶν θλίψεων δεῖ ἡμᾶς NAS: many tribulations we must KJV: through much tribulation enter into INT: through many tribulations must we Acts 20:23 N-NFP GRK: δεσμὰ καὶ θλίψεις με μένουσιν NAS: that bonds and afflictions await KJV: bonds and afflictions abide me. INT: chains and tribulations me await Romans 2:9 N-NFS GRK: θλίψις καὶ στενοχωρία NAS: [There will be] tribulation and distress KJV: Tribulation and anguish, INT: tribulation and distress Romans 5:3 N-DFP GRK: ἐν ταῖς θλίψεσιν εἰδότες ὅτι NAS: exult in our tribulations, knowing KJV: we glory in tribulations also: knowing INT: in the tribulations knowing that Romans 5:3 N-NFS GRK: ὅτι ἡ θλίψις ὑπομονὴν κατεργάζεται NAS: knowing that tribulation brings about KJV: that tribulation worketh INT: that the tribulation endurance produces Romans 8:35 N-NFS GRK: τοῦ χριστοῦ θλίψις ἢ στενοχωρία NAS: of Christ? Will tribulation, or KJV: of Christ? [shall] tribulation, or INT: of Christ tribulation or distress Romans 12:12 N-DFS GRK: χαίροντες τῇ θλίψει ὑπομένοντες τῇ NAS: persevering in tribulation, devoted KJV: patient in tribulation; continuing instant INT: rejoice the in tribulation be patient 1 Corinthians 7:28 N-AFS GRK: οὐχ ἥμαρτεν θλίψιν δὲ τῇ NAS: such will have trouble in this life, KJV: shall have trouble in the flesh: INT: not she did sin tribulation however in the 2 Corinthians 1:4 N-DFS GRK: πάσῃ τῇ θλίψει ἡμῶν εἰς NAS: us in all our affliction so KJV: all our tribulation, that we INT: all the tribulation of us for 2 Corinthians 1:4 N-DFS GRK: ἐν πάσῃ θλίψει διὰ τῆς NAS: who are in any affliction with the comfort KJV: any trouble, by INT: in every tribulation through the 2 Corinthians 1:8 N-GFS GRK: ὑπὲρ τῆς θλίψεως ἡμῶν τῆς NAS: brethren, of our affliction which came KJV: of our trouble which came INT: as to the tribulation of us 2 Corinthians 2:4 N-GFS GRK: γὰρ πολλῆς θλίψεως καὶ συνοχῆς NAS: For out of much affliction and anguish KJV: out of much affliction and anguish INT: indeed much tribulation and distress 2 Corinthians 4:17 N-GFS GRK: ἐλαφρὸν τῆς θλίψεως ἡμῶν καθ' NAS: light affliction is producing KJV: light affliction, which INT: lightness of tribulation of us far Strong's Greek 2347 45 Occurrences

 

[Intercessor]

Strong's Greek: 3986. πειρασμός (peirasmos) -- an experiment, a trial, temptation

◄ 3986. peirasmos ►

Strong's Concordance peirasmos: an experiment, a trial, temptation​ Original Word: πειρασμός, οῦ, ὁ Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine Transliteration: peirasmos Phonetic Spelling: (pi-ras-mos') Definition: an experiment, a trial, temptation Usage: (a) trial, probation, testing, being tried, (b) temptation, (c) calamity, affliction. HELPS Word-studies Cognate: 3986 peirasmós (from 3985 /peirázō) – temptation or test – both senses can apply simultaneously (depending on the context). The positive sense ("test") and negative sense ("temptation") are functions of the context (not merely the words themselves). NAS Exhaustive Concordance Word Origin from peirazó Definition an experiment, a trial, temptation NASB Translation temptation (12), testing (2), trial (3), trials (4). ​ Thayer's Greek Lexicon STRONGS NT 3986: πειρασμός πειρασμός, πειρασμοῦ, ὁ (πειράζω, which see), the Sept. for מַסָּה, an experiment, attempt, trial, proving; (Vulg.tentatio); a. universally, trial, proving: Sir. 27:5, 7; τόν πειρασμόν ὑμῶν ἐν τῇ σαρκί μου, the trial made of you by my bodily condition, since this condition served to test the love of the Galatians toward Paul, Galatians 4:14 L T Tr WH (cf. b. below, and Lightfoot at the passage). b. specifically, the trial of man's fidelity, integrity, virtue, constancy, etc.: 1 Peter 4:12; also an enticement to sin, temptation, whether arising from the desires or from outward circumstances, Luke 8:13; 1 Corinthians 10:13; ὑπομένειν πειρασμόν, James 1:12; an internal temptation to sin, 1 Timothy 6:9; of the temptation by which the devil sought to divert Jesus the Messiah from his divine errand, Luke 4:13; of a condition of things, or a mental state, by which we are enticed to sin, or to a lapse from faith and holiness: in the phrases εἰσφέρειν τινα εἰς πειρασμόν, Matthew 6:13; Luke 11:4; ἐισέρχεσθαι εἰς πειρασμόν, Matthew 26:41; Mark 14:38 (here T WH ἔλθητε); Luke 22:40, 46; adversity, affliction, trouble (cf. our trial), sent by God and serving to test or prove one's faith, holiness, character: plural, Luke 22:28; Acts 20:19; James 1:2; 1 Peter 1:6; τόν πειρασμόν μου τόν ἐν τῇ σαρκί μου, my temptation arising from my bodily infirmity, Galatians 4:14 Rec. (but see a. above); ὥρα τοῦ πειρασμοῦ, Revelation 3:10; ἐκ πειρασμοῦ ῤύεσθαι, 2 Peter 2:9 (Deuteronomy 7:19; Deuteronomy 29:3; Sir. 2:1 Sir. 6:7 Sir. 36:1 (Sir. 33:1); 1 Macc. 2:52). c. 'temptation' (i. e. trial) of God by men, i. e. rebellion against God, by which his power and justice are, as It were, put to the proof and challenged to show themselves: Hebrews 3:8 (Deuteronomy 6:16; Deuteronomy 9:22; Psalm 94:8 ()). Cf. Fried. B. Koester, Die Biblical Lehre yon der Versuchung. Gotha, 1859. (The word has not yet been found in secular authors except Dioscorides (?) praef. i. τούς ἐπί παθῶν πειρασμούς experiments made on diseases.) Strong's Exhaustive Concordance temptation From peirazo; a putting to proof (by experiment (of good), experience (of evil), solicitation, discipline or provocation); by implication, adversity -- temptation, X try. see GREEK peirazo Forms and Transliterations πειρασμοις πειρασμοίς πειρασμοῖς πειρασμον πειρασμόν πειρασμὸν πειρασμος πειρασμός πειρασμὸς πειρασμου πειρασμού πειρασμοῦ πειρασμόυ πειρασμούς πειρασμω πειρασμώ πειρασμῷ πειρασμων πειρασμών πειρασμῶν πειραταίς πειρατεύσει πειρατήρια πειρατήριον πειρατήριόν πειρατηρίου πειράτου πειρατών peirasmo peirasmō peirasmôi peirasmō̂i peirasmois peirasmoîs peirasmon peirasmón peirasmòn peirasmôn peirasmōn peirasmō̂n peirasmos peirasmòs peirasmou peirasmoû Links Interlinear Greek • Interlinear Hebrew • Strong's Numbers • Englishman's Greek Concordance • Englishman's Hebrew Concordance • Parallel Texts Englishman's Concordance Matthew 6:13 N-AMS GRK: ἡμᾶς εἰς πειρασμόν ἀλλὰ ῥῦσαι NAS: And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver KJV: not into temptation, but deliver INT:us into temptation but deliver Matthew 26:41 N-AMS GRK: εἰσέλθητε εἰς πειρασμόν τὸ μὲν NAS: that you may not enter into temptation; the spirit KJV: not into temptation: the spirit indeed INT: you enter into temptation the indeed Mark 14:38 N-AMS GRK: ἔλθητε εἰς πειρασμόν τὸ μὲν NAS: that you may not come into temptation; the spirit KJV: into temptation. The spirit INT: you enter into temptation The indeed Luke 4:13 N-AMS GRK: συντελέσας πάντα πειρασμὸν ὁ διάβολος NAS: every temptation, he left KJV: all the temptation, he departed INT: having finished every temptation the devil Luke 8:13 N-GMS GRK: ἐν καιρῷ πειρασμοῦ ἀφίστανται NAS: and in time of temptation fall away. KJV: in time of temptation fall away. INT: in time of testing fall away Luke 11:4 N-AMS GRK: ἡμᾶς εἰς πειρασμόν ἀλλὰ ῥῦσαι NAS: to us. And lead us not into temptation.' KJV: not into temptation; but deliver INT: us into temptation but deliver Luke 22:28 N-DMP GRK: ἐν τοῖς πειρασμοῖς μου NAS: who have stood by Me in My trials; KJV: in my temptations. INT: in the trials of me Luke 22:40 N-AMS GRK: εἰσελθεῖν εἰς πειρασμόν NAS: that you may not enter into temptation. KJV: not into temptation. INT: to enter into temptation Luke 22:46 N-AMS GRK: εἰσέλθητε εἰς πειρασμόν NAS: that you may not enter into temptation. KJV: ye enter into temptation. INT: you might enter into temptation Acts 20:19 N-GMP GRK: δακρύων καὶ πειρασμῶν τῶν συμβάντων NAS: and with tears and with trials which came KJV: tears, and temptations, which befell INT: tears and temptations having happened 1 Corinthians 10:13 N-NMS GRK: πειρασμὸς ὑμᾶς οὐκ NAS: No temptation has overtaken KJV: There hath no temptation taken you INT: Temptation you not 1 Corinthians 10:13 N-DMS GRK: σὺν τῷ πειρασμῷ καὶ τὴν NAS: you are able, but with the temptation will provide KJV: will with the temptation also make INT: with the temptation also the Galatians 4:14 N-AMS GRK: καὶ τὸν πειρασμὸν ὑμῶν ἐν NAS: and that which was a trial to you in my bodily condition KJV: And my temptation which was in my INT: and the test of you in 1 Timothy 6:9 N-AMS GRK: ἐμπίπτουσιν εἰς πειρασμὸν καὶ παγίδα NAS: fall into temptation and a snare KJV: fall into temptation and a snare, INT: fall into temptation and a snare Hebrews 3:8 N-GMS GRK: ἡμέραν τοῦ πειρασμοῦ ἐν τῇ NAS: ME, AS IN THE DAY OF TRIAL IN THE WILDERNESS, KJV: the day of temptation in INT: day of temptation in the James 1:2 N-DMP GRK: μου ὅταν πειρασμοῖς περιπέσητε ποικίλοις NAS: you encounter various trials, KJV: ye fall into divers temptations; INT: of me when temptations you might encounter various James 1:12 N-AMS GRK: ὃς ὑπομένει πειρασμόν ὅτι δόκιμος NAS: perseveres under trial; for once he has been KJV: endureth temptation: for INT: who endures trial because proved 1 Peter 1:6 N-DMP GRK: ἐν ποικίλοις πειρασμοῖς NAS: by various trials, KJV: through manifold temptations: INT: by various trials 1 Peter 4:12 N-AMS GRK: πυρώσει πρὸς πειρασμὸν ὑμῖν γινομένῃ NAS: you, which comes upon you for your testing, as though KJV: is to try you, as INT: fire for trial to you [which is] taking place 2 Peter 2:9 N-GMS GRK: εὐσεβεῖς ἐκ πειρασμοῦ ῥύεσθαι ἀδίκους NAS: the godly from temptation, and to keep KJV: out of temptations, and INT: [how the] devout out of temptation to deliver [the] unrighteous Revelation 3:10 N-GMS GRK: ὥρας τοῦ πειρασμοῦ τῆς μελλούσης NAS: you from the hour of testing, that [hour] which is about KJV: the hour of temptation, which INT: hour of the of trial which [is] about Strong's Greek 3986 21 Occurrences πειρασμῷ — 1 Occ. πειρασμῶν — 1 Occ. πειρασμοῖς — 3 Occ. πειρασμόν — 11 Occ. πειρασμὸς — 1 Occ. πειρασμοῦ — 4 Occ.

 

[Kadaenreck]

Lord.protect and guard Amen

 

[Rani Madhasu]

I'm not a masochist, but sometimes I wish I was so I could enjoy all the negative things happening to me.Masochists don't feel anguish when things go wrong.

I prayed for this in Jesus Name Amen