You know...I've known some unsaved people quite well who have died, including loved ones.I've seen the life ebb from them, and have {especially unsaved loved ones}seen them in the coffin.I known what the BODY looks like. But looking at the body doesn't show me where the soul is at that point. Then,reading the Bible, it says they go to a place of torments, {hell}and eventually, "death and hades were hurled into the lake of fire".And the rich man and Lazarus seems to bear out that, well before the Great White Judgement,a sinner can be in Hell. BUT, I've heard other Christians {pastors} preach that since judgement hasn't occured yet, they're not judged yet and are "asleep" until the Great White Throne Judgement.One between ground I can think of,when the Bible says the dead know nothing,is the body , as we knew them, is "dead', but their spirit is in Hell until the Lake of Fire.But here's the question--when most verses seem to point out that the dead are under some kind of punishment now, UNTIL being reunited with their spirit,what of these other pastors who say there can be no punishment if there was no formal judgement by God yet, and they're "asleep" body and spirit for now.Where is the spirit of that body I saw in the coffin at the funeral home. as of, immediately after death? In other words, what is the timing of them going to Hell?