Looking around at different people, including and maybe especially people we know,we see some we can say are Christians{based on the loyalty to, and defending of, God, their belief in His salvation plan, etc.}{And following it, not just saying it.}Others, unless they have a last minute deathbed confession, even when "on the way out"{dying}, up till the last minute they sing the praises of the devils religions that they've always followed. These {both ways} are the pretty "obvious" cases, and barring anything we don't see,are, we are likely to be right about their spiritual state. But then there are the not so "obvious" ones, the "borderline" "could go either way" "gray area" ones, the"on the fence" ones, who , to me, are harder to figure, and , for that matter, know where they go after death.I've seen those who sing Gods praises, but practice yoga,intentionally vote for a candidate from their prefered party who is for gay marriage and abortion, etc, then when you ask them about that, they make excuses. On the other hand, I've seen unsaved people who seem to start drifting TOWARDS God, and getting more in tune with Gods ways. {My father was such a case, and since his death, that, and some other things, I "suspect" he went to Heaven}.So that's the question--if it's not an "obvious case", can one of these "borderline cases", upon their death , have been at that time , or of some things God washed them with that we may not know of,go to Heaven? Does someone have to be an "obvious" 'Christian at the time of their death?Remember,"Now we see things darkly". Isn't it possible that there are things God knows about their spiritual state that we may not?I would say so,after all, it's God who decides, not us.I read in a Hal Lindsey book, he said,"We'll be surprised by some of the people who come up to us in the New Jerusalem."So I say, yes, these supposedly "borderline" 'to God they're not "borderline" He knows who got saved and didn't.Do you think?
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Can people we're "not sure about" go to Heaven?
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Paul seems to deal with this by NOT answering this question, because it is speculative, but says, "The Lord knows those who are his" and encourages us to live a life so obviously saved a speculative query is not even needed, and shows us how we ought to lay a firm foundation of repentance from dead woks and pursuing the things that help us stay on the right path...
19 "Nevertheless, the firm foundation of God stands, having this seal, “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Everyone who names the name of the Lord is to abstain from wickedness. 20 Now in a large house there are not only gold and silver vessels, but also vessels of wood and of earthenware, and some to honor and some to dishonor. 21 Therefore, if anyone cleanses himself from these things, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified, useful to the Master, prepared for every good work. 22 Now flee from youthful lusts and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart. 23 But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels" (2 Tim 2:19-23).
The above, from what was probably his last epistle written (2 Tim), echoes what was probably one of his first epistles written (1 Cor), and there, while he says it is possible to "be saved as though through fire," it is never his goal in any of his teaching since his goal is to NOT produce speculation, but true salvation...
12 "Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each man’s work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man’s work. 14 If any man’s work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. 15 If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire."
Though it may be possible, do we really want to waste our time talking about what can be "possible" regarding eternal salvation of damnation? My point is why not just encourage everyone to live a life so sold out for Christ no one has to split hairs over whether the person is saved or not? Certainly no epistle or message in the New Testament ever does anything of the sort, and in fact, the opposite is taught.
We were created to image God -- we should live a life sold out to The Father as Jesus did. It is certainly is not God's purpose for giving us the gift of life to just be saved but waste your life and have zero eternal rewards. We are to give God a "return on investment" in winning souls and multiplying the talents He has given us as portrayed in "The Parable of The Talents." There we are supposed to DOUBLE what was given to us (he saved us we should bring at least one person with us to heaven, or if we have the gift of teaching, we ought to help one person become better at it, or if we have the gift of evangelism, we ought to help one person be more agile in soul-winning).
In fact in The Parable of The Talents, the person who we would deem "saved as though by fire" is cast out into outer darkness for NOT bearing any fruit with the life that was given, which commends the earlier point as to not even teach that it is possible to live a wasted life and expect to be rewarded (see Matt 25:14-30). Jesus cursed the fruitless fig tree in Matt 21:19. The whole problem with much of Christianity is we have this false idea that Jesus came to earth to bring us to heaven -- we have to teach that Jesus came to earth to restore the power for us to image God in life and that heaven is a temporary place until we are rewarded in the resurrection for what Jesus accomplished through us by the Power of The Holy Spirit. That's the teaching of the entire Bible.
30 "Throw out the worthless slave into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matt 25:20). Let's not try to figure out what exactly it means but get the clear point that whatever it is it's neither good nor the purpose for which God created us, and exhort as many peaople as possible to receive the message of Christ so as to bring glory to God by bearing His image on earth with the little bit of time we have been given. Amen.
19 "Nevertheless, the firm foundation of God stands, having this seal, “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Everyone who names the name of the Lord is to abstain from wickedness. 20 Now in a large house there are not only gold and silver vessels, but also vessels of wood and of earthenware, and some to honor and some to dishonor. 21 Therefore, if anyone cleanses himself from these things, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified, useful to the Master, prepared for every good work. 22 Now flee from youthful lusts and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart. 23 But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels" (2 Tim 2:19-23).
The above, from what was probably his last epistle written (2 Tim), echoes what was probably one of his first epistles written (1 Cor), and there, while he says it is possible to "be saved as though through fire," it is never his goal in any of his teaching since his goal is to NOT produce speculation, but true salvation...
12 "Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each man’s work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man’s work. 14 If any man’s work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. 15 If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire."
Though it may be possible, do we really want to waste our time talking about what can be "possible" regarding eternal salvation of damnation? My point is why not just encourage everyone to live a life so sold out for Christ no one has to split hairs over whether the person is saved or not? Certainly no epistle or message in the New Testament ever does anything of the sort, and in fact, the opposite is taught.
We were created to image God -- we should live a life sold out to The Father as Jesus did. It is certainly is not God's purpose for giving us the gift of life to just be saved but waste your life and have zero eternal rewards. We are to give God a "return on investment" in winning souls and multiplying the talents He has given us as portrayed in "The Parable of The Talents." There we are supposed to DOUBLE what was given to us (he saved us we should bring at least one person with us to heaven, or if we have the gift of teaching, we ought to help one person become better at it, or if we have the gift of evangelism, we ought to help one person be more agile in soul-winning).
In fact in The Parable of The Talents, the person who we would deem "saved as though by fire" is cast out into outer darkness for NOT bearing any fruit with the life that was given, which commends the earlier point as to not even teach that it is possible to live a wasted life and expect to be rewarded (see Matt 25:14-30). Jesus cursed the fruitless fig tree in Matt 21:19. The whole problem with much of Christianity is we have this false idea that Jesus came to earth to bring us to heaven -- we have to teach that Jesus came to earth to restore the power for us to image God in life and that heaven is a temporary place until we are rewarded in the resurrection for what Jesus accomplished through us by the Power of The Holy Spirit. That's the teaching of the entire Bible.
30 "Throw out the worthless slave into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matt 25:20). Let's not try to figure out what exactly it means but get the clear point that whatever it is it's neither good nor the purpose for which God created us, and exhort as many peaople as possible to receive the message of Christ so as to bring glory to God by bearing His image on earth with the little bit of time we have been given. Amen.
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Steven Bobb
Beloved of All
Some of the borderline people are people I know or even a loved one or two, so I'm a little interested or concerned for their sake, prompting me to post this.
Intercessor
Beloved of All
Well as I said before, I am sorry for your loss and I had one last summer -- it's settled now, it's appointed once to die, so they are either on God's side by now or not... If they are on God's side, He is merciful, if they are not, He is just... I believe Jesus would say it's His business now, follow Him...
20 "Peter turned and saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them. He was the one who had leaned back against Jesus at the supper to ask, “Lord, who is going to betray You?” 21 When Peter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?”
22 Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain until I return, what is that to you? You follow Me!” 23 Because of this, the rumor spread among the brothers that this disciple would not die. However, Jesus did not say that he would not die, but only, “If I want him to remain until I return, what is that to you?”
24 This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who has written them down. And we know that his testimony is true" (John 21:20-24).
WomanofYahshua
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Dennis_
Servant of All
"Therefore, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not only in my presence, but now even more in my absence, continue to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." ~ Philippians 2:12
Only God knows for sure whether even you at the end of it all are going to heaven, so Idle speculation about any other believers' personal relationship with Him is merely a waste of time.
If in doubt of their salvation, intercede for them and share the Gospel with them as you live a life above reproach according to the word of God. Idle speculation doesn't benefit anyone.
"Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’ "~ Matthew 7:21-23
Only God knows for sure whether even you at the end of it all are going to heaven, so Idle speculation about any other believers' personal relationship with Him is merely a waste of time.
If in doubt of their salvation, intercede for them and share the Gospel with them as you live a life above reproach according to the word of God. Idle speculation doesn't benefit anyone.
"Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’ "~ Matthew 7:21-23
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Cheryl "The Earthly Angel"
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Excellent!
Jesus is the Door to enter heaven. If you reject Him, do not believe His word, mock at Him and those who love Him, then, you are heading down to hell faster than anytone else. But if you believe, trust and wait for Him day and night, then, you are heading up to heaven. Remember this. Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shall be saved.
